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Heating around 11kV stand-off

Last post 08-20-2008, 5:41 PM by David Booth. 6 replies.
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  •  08-18-2008, 3:59 PM 1814

    Heating around 11kV stand-off

    Attachment: SDIR.JPG

    Can anyone offer an opinion about what is going on in this 11kV switchboard?

    There was previously thought to be inductive heating (about 55C) at several points around some of the panels where busbar supports bolt onto the main framework of the board. This image, though, shows more serious heating of about 85C at the base of a busbar stand-off. Ultrasound was also detected in this cubicle (the rest were silent) so I'm now thinking that this is actually tracking and the heating at the busbar support members is resulting from it.

     



    David Booth
    MarinIR Inspection Technologies Ltd
    Auckland
    New Zealand
  •  08-19-2008, 9:25 AM 1820 in reply to 1814

    Re: Heating around 11kV stand-off

    Do you have a visual you can post? I'd love to get a better idea of the attachment of the stand-off.

     Even 85C is not unusual for inductive heating, though of course it IS hot enough it could cause material degradation. Tracking, on the other, could represent a serious issue. Can you find someone to look at it with a corona camera?

     


    Thermally Yours,

    John
    ASNT NDT Level III #48166
    The Snell Group
    www.thesnellgroup.com
    www.thermalsolutions.org
    800-636-9820
  •  08-19-2008, 2:36 PM 1823 in reply to 1820

    Re: Heating around 11kV stand-off

    Attachment: SDVIS.jpg

    Here is the the visual, John.

    I come across induction in switchboards from time to time but never before at this voltage. Then, when I heard the ultrasound coming out of this panel and realised the possibilty of tracking, I got concerned. Access to a corona camera would be great but I don't know if there is one in NZ.

     



    David Booth
    MarinIR Inspection Technologies Ltd
    Auckland
    New Zealand
  •  08-19-2008, 2:45 PM 1824 in reply to 1823

    Re: Heating around 11kV stand-off

    I guess I would point you back to a closer analysis of the ultrasonic signature. Is it one associated with tracking or discharge or one associated with arcing? I am not an expert, but there are those who may be able to distinguish. Perhaps you could post the sound file?


    Thermally Yours,

    John
    ASNT NDT Level III #48166
    The Snell Group
    www.thesnellgroup.com
    www.thermalsolutions.org
    800-636-9820
  •  08-19-2008, 10:39 PM 1826 in reply to 1824

    Re: Heating around 11kV stand-off

    Attachment: Time Waveform.pdf

    I had a few go's at recording the sound with varying success. This is the first two seconds of my second attempt, recorded directly into Sigview on my laptop, and show that the main events appear at 100Hz intervals which I believe is indicative of corona and also that all the rubbish in between is a sign of tracking.

    The messageboard won't accept wave files. I'll see if I can convert it to another format and post the soundfile later.

     


    David Booth
    MarinIR Inspection Technologies Ltd
    Auckland
    New Zealand
  •  08-20-2008, 3:37 AM 1827 in reply to 1826

    Re: Heating around 11kV stand-off

    David,

     

    This looks most like induction to me; a temperature of 85°C may seem high, but it is not unusual for inductive heating to reach temperatures even higher than this. Looking at the visual, there is a coil of some description above the horizontal support, I don’t know what this is, but I assume it is a CT. This could be the source of your ultrasonic signature, and maybe even the induction itself. You indicate this has been observed elsewhere, is it always around these coils? Is this coil located closer to the support than on others?

    I suggest you find out what type of metal it is, and the properties of that metal. I have come across very high temperatures on steel components before and after checking I was told that the metallurgical properties would not be affected significantly for that type of steel until it was well over 150°C, so it may be something that you can live with and just monitor. Your biggest concern is that the bar will melt of fail in a way that it touches the busbar, and this is not really hot enough for that to happen. It is in a location that is very unlikely anyone will touch it, so I don’t think you have to worry about anyone burning themselves on it. The busbar also looks very well supported, so even if the support weakens it won’t really affect the structure. So I think you need to absolutely find the source of the ultrasound, and I strongly suspect the coil to be in some way responsible for this. Find out what it is, what it does, and check others for simular signatures (even at a lower level).

    www.thermalvision.ie


    Bob Berry
    BINDT, IRT Level 3 EL, Level 3 CV (ISO 18436)
    Thermal Vision
    8 Old Fair Green
    Dunboyne
    Co Meath
    Ireland
    bob"at"thermalvision"dot"ie
    www.thermalvision.ie
  •  08-20-2008, 5:41 PM 1834 in reply to 1827

    Re: Heating around 11kV stand-off

    Attachment: SDIR3.JPG

    John & Bob,

    Thank you for your advice. In the remaining cubicles the heating is confined to the points where busbar supports are bolted to the main framework. The temperature varies from place to place but is never more than 55C. The image attached is one example. There is an identical breaker cubicle at the opposite end of the board with the same CTs fitted but this one was silent with minimal heating (35C) at the end of the supports.

    I will go back and spend time pinning down the exact source of the ultrasound and try to get a clear recording of it. I'll let you know what happens.

     



    David Booth
    MarinIR Inspection Technologies Ltd
    Auckland
    New Zealand
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