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White PVC & TPO thermal roof scans

Last post 08-07-2008, 4:06 PM by John Snell. 1 replies.
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  •  08-07-2008, 11:13 AM 1754

    White PVC & TPO thermal roof scans

    I have been asked, on a number of seperate occassions, if thermal scans can be done using the appropriate Fluke I/R camera to do a thermal scan on white PVC or TPO roofs. One question came from a RRC which indicated their company was not getting accurate images using an older I/R camera (10-15 yrs). I have been representing commercial roof manufacturers for approx 29 years. I have completed the Level I Snell training and have been asked this question on a number of occassions. Any insight or comments would be appreciated.

     Marshall Ryerson

    Marshall Ryerson Company  

    Phone 616-299-1751

    Fax     616-956-1649

    mrc11@comcast.net

  •  08-07-2008, 4:06 PM 1767 in reply to 1754

    Re: White PVC & TPO thermal roof scans

    Attachment: Roof images.jpg

    Great questions, Marshall! In the past many roof thermographers used mid-wave sensing (2-5 micron) cameras such as the Inframetric ThermoCam or the Agema 550 (these were, at the time, known as short-wave sensing cameras; same wave band but the name has changed!). In fact they tend to give better imagery on many single-ply membranes such as the two you mention and EPDM.

     

    The issue appears to be related to the spectral reflectivity of these materials (more reflective in long-wave and less so in mid-wave) and the cold (clear) sky they are/are not reflecting. I still know many roofers who prefer older systems to newer, long-wave systems. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that (10 we often look at roofs at a fairly shallow angle which increases reflection and (2) any low spots on the roof tend to collect dirt and become less reflective compared to high spots—all of which can add to the confusing images.

     

    The attached images were taken using long-wave systems on white PVC (left), clearly showing an area of wet insulation and on EPDM (right) clearly showing a reflection and fasteners. In my experience—and in talking to those who have even more than I— today's long-wave systems can work fine even if they may not be as effective as mid-wave systems.

     

    Interestingly, the problem is often NOT the membrane but rather the fact that the insulation used with these single-ply membranes is relatively non-absorbent foam. The moisture is there but, especially in newer roofs, not as easily traced because it is not so readily absorbed. As the insulation ages, it become more absorbent and the patterns are easier to understand.

     

    Interestingly, the National Roof Contractors' Association (NRCA) strongly recommends that the top most layer of insulation in all single-ply roofs be a layer that can absorb moisture (typically condensation) and can provide some cushioning. 

     

    The bottom line: There are no portable mid-wave systems available today except used ones and long-wave systems are better than no system! My suggestion is to persist with the amazing technology (long-wave) that we have available to us today!



    Thermally Yours,

    John
    ASNT NDT Level III #48166
    The Snell Group
    www.thesnellgroup.com
    www.thermalsolutions.org
    800-636-9820
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