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Last post 04-24-2008, 12:27 PM by WILL STRONG. 21 replies.
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  •  04-23-2008, 8:28 PM 1404 in reply to 1402

    Re: New school down the street

    Thanks for the Reply Jack.  would not the wet areas retain the thermal load of the sun-for a longer time then the dry areas?  This was my understand just as a roof would hold heat in the wet areas and cool off in the dry areas after the sun would go down.

    As to my back ground i have been in doing building inspection for more then 20 years. the IR is new to me.  I must have missed something about this site. If i should not be posting things and asking question then i will stop!!!  the heading of the forum was listed as IR CLASSROOM.

    Will 

     


    WILL STRONG
  •  04-23-2008, 9:40 PM 1405 in reply to 1404

    Re: New school down the street

    Please do not stop posting!

    My observation about this section of the forum is that Snell uses it to promote and discuss their classes and webinars, but after reading your post, I re-read their heading on the forum, and perhaps I was not viewing its purpose correctly.  My apologies, if so.

    The other concern that drove my comment was your not knowing what dewpoint is.  I regard that as a pretty basic concept. 

    A wet area will retain heat longer than a dry area during a cooling transient. It will be cooler during a warming transient.  Your post was not clear about what the wall was doing at the time of the image.  You indicated it was a west wall shot at 6PM.  So, was it still in sun?  Just out of sun? Out of sun for an hour or so?  The interpretation of the image results depend strongly on the answers to those questions. 

     Here is a time plot of surface temperature of a stucco wall with good, wet, and delaminated areas over a 24 hour period.  This is from a paper I presented.  The curves are calculated.  The points are data from a building obtained with IR.  The upper graph is for a SE exposure, the lower for a W exposure.  Note how the exposure shifts the curves.  Note also how the curves cross - the wet area is warmest at night, but coolest under heating.  Similarly, the delaminated area swings the most and is coolest at night, but warmest during the day.

    Jack

     

    Effect of Moisture and Delamination on Temperature under Solar Loading


    Jack M. Kleinfeld, P.E.
    Kleinfeld Technical Services, Inc.
    Bronx, NY
    718-884-6644
    JKEngineer@KleinfeldTechnical.com
    come see what we can do for you: http://www.KleinfeldTechnical.com

  •  04-23-2008, 9:46 PM 1406 in reply to 1405

    Re: New school down the street

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    Jack M. Kleinfeld, P.E.
    Kleinfeld Technical Services, Inc.
    Bronx, NY
    718-884-6644
    JKEngineer@KleinfeldTechnical.com
    come see what we can do for you: http://www.KleinfeldTechnical.com

  •  04-23-2008, 9:46 PM 1407 in reply to 1406

    Re: New school down the street

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    Jack M. Kleinfeld, P.E.
    Kleinfeld Technical Services, Inc.
    Bronx, NY
    718-884-6644
    JKEngineer@KleinfeldTechnical.com
    come see what we can do for you: http://www.KleinfeldTechnical.com

  •  04-24-2008, 12:06 AM 1408 in reply to 1405

    Re: New school down the street

    Thanks jack.  This is some Excellent work on your part. I will study this information. If i could get a copy of you paper that would be great. or if you have it posted some place please provide a link. 

    Re: My IR of the front of the school.  The sun had gone down behing the local hills for about 1/2 hr and the walls were in a cooling down mode. your graph is conformation of my finding that a moisture condition is behind this stucco system.  

    Your west graph looks like around 7 to 7:30 PM the pink is producing heat from the suns thermal loading of the day showing moisture behind the walls.  I this correct?

    When i shot my IR of the west face of the school i noticed that the hot area temps in my camera were cooling off within a 1/2hr of taking the first shots to the last. Would this be due to the cooler temp i was working under then the temps on your west graph?  

    Yes i do need to take a IR Level 1 class.

    I may sneek down to the school this weekend and take a few more shots from other direction and stick a moisture meter on the walls.

    See what that looks like.

    Jack all others Thanks for your help.     

    Will.

     


    WILL STRONG
  •  04-24-2008, 11:27 AM 1412 in reply to 1408

    Re: New school down the street

    Attachment: SAT01962.jpg

    I like to take my pic's as soon as you can see the nails holding the foam on to the OSB. This way you know you have the right conditions for accurate data. Just a hint.

    Regards

     



    Jeremy Kays Reliability Technician
    Level II IR, MCA Level I, In Compliance with the ASNT guidelines
    The Snell Group
    jkays@thesnellgroup.com
    http://www.thesnellgroup.com

  •  04-24-2008, 12:27 PM 1413 in reply to 1412

    Re: New school down the street

    Thanks Jeremy.  I will apply that. 

     

     


    WILL STRONG
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