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Thermography Needed to Prove Great Pyramid’s Internal Ramp Theory

Last post 03-13-2010, 10:07 AM by JKEngineer. 3 replies.
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  •  03-12-2010, 8:24 AM 4352

    Thermography Needed to Prove Great Pyramid’s Internal Ramp Theory

    Thermography Needed to Prove Great Pyramid’s Internal RampTheory 

    Jean Pierre-Houdin has a theory on how the Great Pyramid wasbuilt.  DSShas done computer simulations that show that his theory predicts thermalbridging that should be detectable with thermography.  You can see the thermal models at http://www.3ds.com/company/passion-for-innovation/the-projects/khufu-revealed/khufu/ir/

    I’d love to see actual thermograms with a real low noisecamera – the thermal differences are small.

    A permit needs to be obtained to do a thermography study ofthe Pyramid.  Thermography is of coursenon-contact but the permit keeps getting postponed.  There is a lot more information at

    http://allaboutegypt.org/2010/03/in-support-of-researching-the-great-pyramids-internal-ramp-theory/

    Let’s hope the permit gets issued soon!!

     -- 

    John C. Lafeber, P.E.

    NCII - North Coast Industrial Imaging
    4165 Stein Road
    Ann Arbor, MI 48105

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  •  03-12-2010, 9:07 AM 4353 in reply to 4352

    Re: Thermography Needed to Prove Great Pyramid’s Internal Ramp Theory

    Attachment: RR tracks Melia.jpg

    GREAT posting! Thanks, John. Hopefully it will raise interest and create some pressure on permitting.

    I only wish Bob Melia were still alive to take the images. He published the attached for our Thermal Solutions conference, taken with an old Raytheon Palm system. It shows two sets of railroad tracks at a US Civil War prison camp in South Carolina. The tracks, noted on a map but not visible, were located with Bob's help and found to be more than thirty inches below ground after all these years!

    Bob caught the "IR bug" while doing work in the Coast Guard and continued to do some pioneering archeological studies after he retired. Unfortunately, he passed away unexpectedly just as he was "hitting paydirt." He would have loved the amazing improvements in imaging systems that have come along since then. What could he have done with a 640 array and 30mK sensitivity?!



    Thermally Yours,

    John
    ASNT NDT Level III #48166
    The Snell Group
    www.thesnellgroup.com
    www.thermalsolutions.org
    800-636-9820
  •  03-12-2010, 11:42 AM 4355 in reply to 4353

    Re: Thermography Needed to Prove Great Pyramid’s Internal Ramp Theory

    It would be interesting to see some one go there now and take a new picture with the new camera's we have.
    Jeremy Kays Reliability Technician
    Level II IR, MCA / UE Level I, In Compliance with the ASNT guidelines
    X-Ray Eyes
    xrayeyesjl@hotmail.com
    www.xrayeyesonline.com

  •  03-13-2010, 10:07 AM 4358 in reply to 4355

    Re: Thermography Needed to Prove Great Pyramid’s Internal Ramp Theory

    Well, I just spent an interesting 2 hours looking at the links posted above and the sites and videos they then point to.  The BBC video is extremely interesting and well done.  The item I have the most trouble with is the FEA based heat transfer analysis posted by Dassault at The internal ramp: a question of temperature - Dassault Systèmes  They show that the internal ramp case would have cool air circulation in the ramps that would cause a small but possibly detectable pattern on the exterior surface. 

    The questions this raises for me are:

    1. Why do they think that there would be air circulation?  This may be a lack of clarity of the definition, do they mean local convection cells, which I can accept, or a mass circulation as in air flowing through the ramp and generating a stack effect?  (either up or down) If the mass stack flow, how is it getting in and out of the surface of the pyramid?

    2. If the ramps are there, and they are using solar loading to detect them thermally, wouldn't a significant role be the lack of transfer through the air space into the pyramid under solar loading?  This is the methodology used to detect delaminations in structures.  It depends on the air space to not be as conductive as the surrounding matrix, causing a local hot spot over the the delamination under a heating transient.  Now, delaminations are generally small and are certainly much smaller than the many feet of width that the ramps would have.  This may be where the air circulation as a cell in the cross-section of the ramp comes into play.  The question becomes whether the air circulation is sufficient to cause the heat transfer through the air space of the ramp to be greater than that through the surronding solid stone. 

    3. Dassault cites the "The air circulating there at a lower temperature than the exterior air should create "thermal bridges" detectable using infrared thermography".  I am not sure whether I am willing to believe that the long term quasi-steady state air temperature is lower than the outside air, at least not under all conditions.  The question of time lag also concerns me.  With the sizes in question, did they model multiple 24 hour cycles and at what time of day or night does their image present the predicted thermal surface distribution?

    4. As a pragmatic issue, would the rough exterior surface of the pyramid as it now exists, having been stripped of the limestone facing centuries ago, present a problem for the use of solar loading and IR for detection? 

    Overall, fascinating stuff!  As some of you know, both IR and the kind of heat transfer analysis that Dassault shows are what I do, so this was particularly interesting to me.  Thanks for posting it John.

    Jack

    Jack M. Kleinfeld, P.E.
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